Stick another notch in the belt of pro-lifers as the fight for the unborn continues. Check out this story.
SMILING FROM THE WOMB Pioneering scanning techniques have produced astonishing images from inside the womb which show babies apparently smiling and crying.Experts believe the breakthrough could lead to advances in baby health for a whole range of conditions, including Down's Syndrome.
The pictures offer a new insight into foetal behaviour.
The ultra-sound scanning techniques capture images which show the foetuses yawn, blink, suck their fingers and seem to cry and smile.
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As the evidence continues to come forth supporting the fact that unborn babies are indeed fully human, and thereby entitled to the same right to life as the rest of us, I believe we as a society will come to our senses and weep for what we have done in the name of "convenience". I have no doubt that future generations will shake their heads in disdain at what has surely been the greatest "silent holocaust" of all humanity.
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September 15, 2003 06:26 AM
Oh, how I pray you are right, Oh how I wish society as a whole would wake up and realize that the past thirty plus years have been the gravest mistake and that they and the governing forces would bow their heads in shame and put an end to abortion. I pray that we could just up and walk away from this culture of death and destruction that we have created through our apathy, through our self serving attitudes, through our attitudes of "Oh, I would never do that but I will never tell another person they can't" through our lack of Faith and love for God. America needs to learnb to weep again, she and her people have forgotton what humility is, they have forgotten what respect is, they have forgotten what love is, oh Almighty God that this nation be forced to turn back to what is good and pure and right. It would be better that this nation be punished severly that for it's peoiple to lose their eternal souls. God forgive us for what we have done, especially forgive us for what we have failed to do...
God grant us all the Grace we will need to survive our own holocaust, the one we have brought upon ourselves...
Agape and Trust...
Francis Xavier
September 15, 2003 09:25 PM
Being the most prolific abortionist in the history of the world why would anyone think God cares about what happens to human beings or what human beings do to each other? God is the one who created nature and nature requires that the strong survive and that they then kill the weak, the sick and the young. God created the diseases that make the strong weak, the healthy sick and the young are killed by those who are stronger and by disease.
God has allowed countless natural abortions to occur to weak and sick babies who would not survive birth. Two of the ironies are that while the vast majority of abortions that humans have are to babies they don’t care to have, the abortions that occur by nature and therefor by God’s will, are babies, for the most part, who are wanted by the parents. The second irony is that as humans have gained medical knowledge we are now able to save not only those babies who God would have allowed to die, but we can also save the mothers of the babies who have, up to this point history, also died in child birth.
Think of the millions of people who are alive today, not because God wanted them to live, but because man had the knowledge to treat them so they could live. If it was left to God’s will most would have died as so many did in the past.
Certainly God doesn’t care if we slaughter ourselves off in never-ending wars, since not only did God command the Hebrews to make war, but more significantly there is war in heaven.
From reading the Pentateuch , the Bible and the Koran one can only conclude that God is supremely sadistic and appears to revel in the pain, misery, suffering and death that is the nature of daily life on this planet.
Assuming that those people who believe in God and in heaven, also believe that any baby who is aborted goes to heaven to be with God, exactly why is abortion inherently evil? Isn’t heaven the place where you would wish all your children to eventually go? Would you rather that your children grow up, sin, die and then end up in Hell?
Is that what parents really want for their children?
September 16, 2003 08:22 AM
Gary, your arguments are cunning and difficult to refudiate. You create a picture of a God that few of us know or care to know. There is no doubt that your arguments can cause one to think.
Your arguments are similar to the athiest arguments, "Can God create a mountain so large that He would not be able to pick it up and cast it into the sea?"
Gary, I am a faith filled Christain, I admit that in my writings, surely you can be man enough to admit your beliefs, are you an athiest, are you a agnostic are you a spiritual pesimist are you a deceiver, an anti-christ sort of person. Let's level the playing field... Let's for a moment put our cards on the table so that all can see. I have a freind in the Country music business, Kenny Rogers, he recorded a song back in the late 70's, "The Gambler" The main point of the song was "You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away and know when to run." Well I'm holdin my cards, I know what I have, I'm not about to fold 'em and I'm not about to run...
The god you speak of is not my God! My God is a God of compassion and love, my God cares and He desires for us only the best. When I read of your description of your god, I read of the great war in heaven on which you touched, satan, beelzabub and all the fallen angels that once attempted to make themselves greater than my God lost that war with my God, my God then created Hell and cast all the fallen angels,. the demons, satan and his legions down into Hell. Now of this world (NOTICE: I SAID OF THIS WORLD) there are far more than one god reigning. My God gave us choices, (not the kind of CHOICES that the abortionist would like you to think of) but He gave us choices, to choose between good and evil, choices to follow the God or god that we wish and these choices on our parts and our ancestors parts is what brought sickness, death, pain, hurt, suffering and death to us. You say you have read the Bible, the Koran and the Pentateuch, then obviously you read Genesis in the Bible and the story of Adam and Eve... In doing so you know that the "original Sin" brought this upon us. "original Sin" brought to us through, guess who... the fallen angels who have over the many years continue to show God that they are better than He, the Alpha and the Omega. God has allowed them to strut their stuff, he has allowed them to tempt us and test us as in the story of JOB. Some of us will hold firm to our faith, some of us will make good choices some of us will always look at our God as a loving and caring God. And what makes that so easy for me.... I have been tested by fire, I have had great struggles in life, I have had cancer, I have diabetyes, I have burried not only my Mother and Father... I burried my only sister at age 50 and I have burried my first wife of 29 years at a very young age of 47. I have faced bankruptsy on more occasions than one. Oh how you would portray how sadistic God is to me, how cruel he is to me. And what do I have to say.... I hold firm to my faith. This god you speak of, one I call satan has launced a great attack on me testing my faith, my beliefe, my hope and like JOB, I have held firm. I have been tested by fire, and each time I am refreshed and refined. You see Gary, as scripture says, "It would be better to have a milstone tied around your neck and be cast into the depths of the sea than to lose your eternal life in Heaven, to lose your Salvation. My aspect of what is going on.... This life is short, not so sweet,difficult but the strong in Christ Jesus, the strong in God the Father will survive. Lastly, why do bad things happen to good people. I just explained that. the bad that has happened to me has not destroyed my soul it has strengthened it. Like a good Father here on earth would not spoil the child but rather would chastise and correct the children they love so they will grow up to be good, loving caring people. WE HAVE COICES, WHAT'S YOURS? Glory to my GOD!
Francis Xavier
September 22, 2003 04:40 PM
Regarding your first question, I am an agnostic and believe that man can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God. After all, just how could you prove or disprove that a being who came to earth, declared that he was God and had all the powers of God, was or was not God? I believe that true atheists are just as irrational in their disbelieve that God doesn’t exist as theist are in their belief that God does exist. I simply profess my ignorance of God’s existence, just as any rational person, based on man’s knowledge right now, would have to profess their ignorance of whether or not intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe. To categorically contend that intelligent life either does or doesn’t exist elsewhere in the universe without proof is irrational.
As far as being an anti-Christ sort of person nothing could be further from the truth. I believe that the “Golden Rule” should be the basis for all civilized societies. The problem is that while Jesus preached do unto other as you would have them do unto you, love thy neighbor as thyself, and unconditional forgiveness, God has done the exact opposite. If any being is the anti-christ it is God. Jesus was the one who cured those who became sick from the diseases God created. Jesus taught that you should offer unconditional forgiveness with nothing required of the person committing the offense against you, while God requires that you ask for forgiveness of Him before you can enter heaven. God is the one who created Hell, while Jesus is the one who can save you from the Hell God created. Given the choice, do you really think Jesus the man would have created Hell in the first place?
While I see much compassion and love in Jesus the man, I see no such compassion in God. The problem is that Jesus is not in charge, God is. God did not pray to Jesus, Jesus prayed to God. It is God’s will being done, not Jesus’ will since Jesus will was subservient to God’s will.
Your God is such a hypocrite. According to the Old and New testament, including Jesus own words, we are each responsible for our own sins and yet time after time in the Bible God punishes others for the sins of the parents, staring with Adam and Eve, in which God condemned the whole human race for their actions. Was this fair? Was it just? Why did God allow only Satan to influence the actions of Eve, when Eve didn’t even have the advantage knowing good from evil? Why didn’t God allow another angel to to make God’s case to Eve as to why eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge would have been wrong? After all, there was no Satan influencing Lucifer to defy God’s will when he was in Heaven and certainly Lucifer was not as naive as Adam and Eve were in the garden of Eden. If man has true freewill why did God need Satan to entice Eve to eat the fruit in the first place? Why not allow Eve to make a freewill choice on her own with no interference from Satan? Would a good parent knowingly allow a drug dealer into his home to entice his children to use drugs then condemn the children for using drugs? Did God protect his children from Satan? Why allow Satan to be on earth and have any influence at all? Aren’t humans flawed enough without having Satan causing even more trouble? Would there be no evil on Earth if Satan wasn’t here to provide it? Is this the way God shows his compassion and love for mankind, by allowing Satan to cause even more pain and suffering in the human condition than we would have without him?
What choice does God gives those babies whom God kills? Does it matter to the baby if the baby is killed by, man, Satan or God? Where was the baby’s freewill in that choice?
As far as the story of Job goes, it makes some very good points... for my arguments. First it points out that God controls the power and actions Satan, which mean that Satan must be doing God’s will, not Satan’s will. Second, it shows God’s utter contempt for not only human life but also family as God allows Satan to kill all of Job’s children. But God takes care of Job by twice blessing him with a whole new family of children as if you can simply replace children as if they were sick puppies who have died and you can go to pet store and get new ones. Finally and most importantly the story has no point. What difference does it make if the most righteous man in the world does or doesn’t condemn God? This would be like weakening the only person in the world capable of lifting a thousand pounds over his head to see if he can do it again. Whether or not he accomplishes the goal doesn’t really mean anything because he was the only one capable of lifting the weight over his head in the first place. A much more valid scenario would be not to take the most righteous man in the world and see if Satan could make him condemn God, but rather to have God take the most wicked man in the world and see if God could convert him into a righteous man. For while only one person could be the most righteous man, through God’s grace and glory all the wicked could become righteous. Of course, God doesn’t want to waste his time converting the wicked into the righteous, he would rather just kill then off as he did in the story of Noah’s Ark, Sodom and Gomorra and Moses return from the mountain with the Ten Commandments. The only real moral I can see in the Book of Job is that Job should not have been so righteous in the first place. Job would not have had to go through all that pain and suffering if he had only been a little more wicked.
I too have lost both my parents. So when someone of faith dies, does that mean they didn’t have enough faith? How does someone of faith grow as a human being when they are dead? Does your faith then require that other’s die so that your faith in God can grow?
While the gauge of a man’s character may be shown by what he may give to other’s when he has so little to share, a better gauge is to see what they give to others when they have everything. After all, who would condemn as evil someone who was hungry and wouldn’t share what little they had with other hungry people, but who wouldn’t condemn a man who had everything but who refused to give anything to anyone. Why doesn’t God bless everyone in the first place, as he appeared to have done with all the angels in heaven, thus allowing the truly wicked to choose evil over good?
How would your life change if God didn’t exist? I am not talking about your faith that God exists, but if God didn’t exist.
January 3, 2004 12:39 AM
It's been a while since the two of you have signed on and gotten at it but I think that your reading list for this year should include "The Da Vinci Code" and "Angles and Demons" by Dan Brown. It might put both sides into perspective ...
September 8, 2004 12:39 AM
That is an outright lie. God created everything perfect. It was sin that caused thorns and disease. Man chose to disobey God and is suffering the consequences. God loved us enough to let His own Son suffer and die for us. It is odd that you blame God for everything yet fail to consider Satan, who was the original sinner and is the cause of all troubles then and now.